What's This Minor Audio Distortion From?

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NoelC
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What's This Minor Audio Distortion From?

Postby NoelC » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:20 pm

From time to time I've tuned in the US time station WWV and noticed a little bit of distortion in the time announcement in the form of a "crackle". Specifically, it's on the word "hours", right on the first syllable.

Here are some examples:

http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... dHours.wma
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... Hours2.wma
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... Hours3.wma
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... Hours4.wma
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... Hours5.wma

The waterfall display doesn't really show anything too exciting, with maybe just a little dark area showing out beyond the where there's energy. I don't know if that might indicate there's some kind of overload happening or what.

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It seems to happen at various signal strengths, though perhaps more (or it's more noticeable) when the signal is strong. It happens whether or not I use AM or SAM mode. AGC doesn't matter, nor does adjusting the audio width. Neither does the setting for the sample rate or decimation correct it.

I've heard it on other parts of the announcer's speech, but much less often. I don't think I've ever heard the word "hours" without it. I just caught it happening pretty badly on one of the weather announcements...

http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/Foru ... eather.wma

Any ideas? It's not a big problem, just a minor annoyance.

I'm starting to wonder if it could be a problem with the transmission, since I haven't sensed it on other stations, but their equipment is rather more expensive than mine, so I'm not quick to rush to that judgment.

-Noel

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g1hbe
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Re: What's This Minor Audio Distortion From?

Postby g1hbe » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:56 pm

I'd say that was a transmission fault, Noel. It seems to take the same form every time, so it's unlikely to be in your setup.

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Re: What's This Minor Audio Distortion From?

Postby KA9Q » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:41 pm

I've been noticing the very same thing on WWV, mainly at 10 MHz, using my own multicast-based SDR written from scratch and using the AMSAT UK Funcube Pro+ dongle. PY2SDR contributed a spectrum display program for my SDR, and on it I see a lot of distortion. I see harmonics of the audio tones, and intermod-produced 100 Hz sidebands around each of the tones.

I'm beginning to suspect their transmitter. According to the NIST "bible" on WWV (NIST SP 250-67) they use one model of transmitter on 2.5 and 20 MHz and another on 5, 10 and 15. The former uses linear amplification to produce 2.5 kW and the latter produces 10 kW using plate modulation, which is more efficient (an obvious consideration at the higher power level). I'm beginning to suspect some inherent nonlinearity in their plate modulation.

I can post some snapshots of my spectral displays if there is still interest.

I've implemented coherent AM in my SDR, but I've noticed that it doesn't work very well on WWV, or in fact anywhere on HF. If I put the I channel on the left speaker and the Q channel on the right, the tones and voice tend to be spread between the two channels even though my PLL seems to track the carrier just fine. If I listen to just the I channel (the normal operating mode for a coherent AM demodulator) the voice announcements seem even more distorted than in AM mode with a conventional envelope detector.

I think my code is OK. When I tune in a local AM broadcast station, I get the expected result: the audio is completely on the left channel and the right channel is just noise. I've chalked this up to HF propagation but I'm still not sure. One theory is that the PLL is tracking the sum of WWV and WWVH's carrier, which will be out of phase to both their programs. But I see the problem even when WWVH is totally inaudible.
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Mike2459
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Re: What's This Minor Audio Distortion From?

Postby Mike2459 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:37 pm

I can hear the shortwave broadcaster on 9955 on WWV's 10 MHz freq. Is cross modulation the correct term here?

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