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Antenna for LW

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:19 am
by illllm
For someone living in a small space, what would be the best way to receive LW? Would it help if 500 feet wire was coiled? Or zigzag?

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:30 am
by Mike2459
I have had good luck with a mini-whip hanging from a tree 11 feet above ground level. A good wideband mag loop antenna would be even better. Much depends on your background noise levels. Better hurry, long wave season will end soon.

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:14 am
by g1hbe
My LW/LF listening is spoiled by high noise levels from local gadgets, and the only cure was to get a loop. I use the Wellbrook 1530 but there are other types. If you are handy you can make your own using the well-known PA1M circuit. If you want it to go down to VLF, use a mix 73 ferrite transformer as the common type 43 falls off below 100 kHz.

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:51 am
by franko
Mike2459 wrote:Better hurry, long wave season will end soon.
Can you say anything more about what you hear, and when during the year you hear it?

I'm unable to hear anything on LW due to very strong local MW broadcast interference, but am in the process of obtaining a low-pass filter. Interested in what might be out there to listen for. (Southern California in my case.)

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:15 pm
by Mike2459
Overwhelmingly NDB's (Non directional beacons).

You can investigate for yourself with the Maritime Radio Historical Society's low band KIwi SDR at http://198.40.45.23:8072/
It is connected to a Marconit T antenna.
I could only find 4 active NDB's in California in the ClassAxe database.

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:24 pm
by franko
Mike2459 wrote:Overwhelmingly NDB's (Non directional beacons).

You can investigate for yourself with the Maritime Radio Historical Society's low band KIwi SDR at http://198.40.45.23:8072/
It is connected to a Marconit T antenna.
I could only find 4 active NDB's in California in the ClassAxe database.
Thanks, I'll check them out.

I've heard that WSPR is fairly popular on the 630m and 2200m ham bands, and thought I'd also set up WSJT-X to see if I can pick any of that up.

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:48 pm
by Mike2459
Can you say anything more about what you hear, and when during the year you hear it?
Sorry, I didn't fully answer your question. Anytime thunderstorm activity is low. late summer, autumn and winter seem to be the best here in the eastern US. The QRN from lightning activity can travel great distances at longwave frequencies.

You mentioned WSPR in your last post. I tried it out last light, heard several hams in Arizona and New Mexico on 630 meters. There was one log entry for K9FD in grid square BL11 (the Hawaiian Islands).

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:05 pm
by franko
Mike2459 wrote:Anytime thunderstorm activity is low. late summer, autumn and winter seem to be the best here in the eastern US. The QRN from lightning activity can travel great distances at longwave frequencies.

You mentioned WSPR in your last post. I tried it out last light, heard several hams in Arizona and New Mexico on 630 meters. There was one log entry for K9FD in grid square BL11 (the Hawaiian Islands).
Lightning is pretty unusual here in Southern California, though ironically we're having a very rare day of thunder/lightning storms today.

I ordered a low-pass filter (to attenuate MW AM broadcast) from Par Electronics, and will look forward to trying it out when it arrives (expected Saturday).

Thanks for the mention of the ClassAxe database -- that looks like it will be a useful resource.

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:50 pm
by Mike2459
I see what you're talking about:
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I can hear these at 30KHz in my area:
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https://www.lightningmaps.org

Re: Antenna for LW

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:19 pm
by franko
Great lightning map website!
Mike2459 wrote:You mentioned WSPR in your last post. I tried it out last light, heard several hams in Arizona and New Mexico on 630 meters. There was one log entry for K9FD in grid square BL11 (the Hawaiian Islands).
In addition to WSPR, it seems as though there's a certain amount of JT9 traffic, more so on 630m but also 2200m. Here's a map of spots from PSK Reporter:
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