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What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:34 am
by illllm
https://youtu.be/eIzoAdcMejQ

Very odd behavior. The isolation transformer seems to pick up transmission from 800 miles away and.....I am indoors.

Scratching my head as to how this is possible. That’s Friday night oldies from a station in Lebanon, Tennessee and I am in Virginia.

Also trying to connect the loop with one hand is not easy :P

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:39 am
by illllm
Sorry that is the mini whip. First no antenna, then attached whip, noise floor increased, then adder power noise floor rose but signal not much, then completely disconnected but signal was strong. I increased the volume a bit later on.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:41 am
by illllm
Perhaps the coils are magnetically coupled to the metal server case they are sitting on? :?: will try it on the carpet tomorrow.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:09 pm
by illllm
still same..even on the carpet it picks up many shortwave stations.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:19 pm
by g1hbe
I've lost track - is it picking stuff up with nothing connected to the antenna socket, or with the balun connected?

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:52 pm
by ON5HB
What happens if you shorten the open side?
As long-mid-wave antenna's in old transistor radio's used to have an antenna build on just a ferrite rod.
Typical working 0~3 MHz.

Have a look:

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Sc ... page5.html

Maybe your core acts the same? Is the only logical explanation I can think off.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:17 pm
by Roger
In order to receive a signal you need to have an antenna with two sides. A dipole, for example, has two wires connected to a feedline (like twinlead or coax). A vertical antenna has one element (wire, mast or whip) and uses a ground or counterpoise as the other.

So what is happening in your case when you only have a balun connected to your RSP and no antenna attached to the balun? You still have an antenna system but it is a poor one and only able to receive very strong signals. One side of the antenna is the USB cable and the other side is the short connecting wire from the RSP2 circuit board to the SMA terminal and your attached balun. This poor antenna will pickup strong signals and local noise (RFI).

USB cables vary considerably in quality. The best ones have the wires twisted and shielded with an outer shield encasing all the wires. They also have a quality toroid but these are generally used to reduce cable radiation above 30 MHz. Tripp-Lite makes quality cables but even these should have external toroids (Mix 31 works well) to reduce noise pickup on the HF bands. Here is what I use and it works well on HF.
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Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:19 pm
by illllm
Thank you all for responding. My USB cable is shielded and its exactly as shown in the picture above including the clamp on torrid cores. Yes its picking up stations with just the 1:1 connected.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:33 pm
by Mike2459
Screen shot of AM Broadcast Band at 1830 local time received with 2 inch (5.08cm) hookup wire antenna connected to the Hi-Z port (P terminal ) of the RSP2.

Re: What’s going on here ?? Receiving but no antenna

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:38 pm
by Mike2459
Hi-Z Port connector disconnected: